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The Midrange is on a 'spacer' to position it time-wise between the tweeter and woofer. On one of the covers the lattice is Horney old nude white women see pic. Tannoy Gold. Altec Voice Of The Theater. Great speaker for up to mid volume levels. Technics Speakers. Designers of two way speakers face an insurmountable problem and that is how to get only two loudspeaker Vintage british loudspeakers which are inherently resonant devices to sound like one non resonant device over 10 octaves. All Vintage british loudspeakers woofer surrounds just replaced with new foam for trouble-free service. Original real wood lattice grills in great shape and structurally sound. Very nice set of JBL Vintage british loudspeakers speakers. The Boston Acoustic A stereo speakers. Tweeter: 2" cone type. Upright bass natural. Gallery View. O pen and HUGE!
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Discussion in ' Speakers ' started by solarol , Jun 18, Log in or Sign up. Messages: Location: Sydney, Australia. I was wondering if anyone could describe at least try to the difference between these speakers. I owned and still own some of them AR, Avid and Klipsch speakers. Messages: 9, Location: RIP In the '60s the BBC had a research department that did a lot of work on speakers for studio use and in small near-field listening environment. They experimented with new materials and phase compensation among the passive components in crossovers.
The result was a series of speakers that stressed accuracy, in particular around the voice. American speaker types are too broad to categorize, and the priorities within the design parameters are quite different. Personally, I'm a British speaker fan, so I can't give a fair assessment of the difference but I will note a few things. You'll like British if: 1. Midrange is your cup of tea 2. You don't need false bass - Fortunately, with the advent of powered subwoofers, this linearity of rolloff in British speakers not the big ones, but up to the 2 foot square box types can be overcome and apparent loudness can go way up because you don't have to worry about the low bass coming out of the speakers.
You like unspectacular but non-fatiguing speakers that, while initially unimpressive, grow on you over time. Hope this helps. Messages: 6, Location: Melbourne, Australia. HypnoToad , Jun 18, There are always exceptions to each rule in audio, it seems.
I own 4 different brands of English speakers and each one is different. I have Rogers LS2's - closest to what you describe; KEF Uni-Q's which are great as point sources and belnd well; Monitor Audio MA3 series 2 fairly big, power hungry and sublime speakers, Royd Audio speaker - which is what I call the un-british british speaker very full sounding even in large rooms. All different and all fill a niche. Last edited: Jun 18, Messages: 53, Matthew "Lab Coat" Polk and company actively and deliberately endeavored to emulate the "British Monitor Sound" at a bargain price-point in their early "High-Definition Monitor Series" consumer loudspeakers - i.
If you ask me; they were quite successful, too. Outstanding midrange quality and definition e. Messages: 13, Related, perhaps, to the small room issue is the greater importance that british designers often placed on imaging. My strong impression is that american speakers were aimed at creating the impression that the orchestra was somehow in the room with you -- so big scale and dynamics were important -- whereas british speakers were aimed at creating a window to the original performance so a mental distance was introduced, meaning that ultimate volume didn't matter so much, but with the sense of a window comes the sense of seeing, so imaging was very important.
As an aside, there is another thread about why some speakers have tweeters at large distances from the woofer and some have the drivers very tightly bunched -- if you want a sense of scale, having drivers all over the place may give a sense of sound from top to bottom, but if you are looking for imaging, that's not desireable.
Nat , Jun 18, Messages: 28, They all have a similar sonic presentation, while all sounding different from one another. I really like the sound of these speakers, especially the Kef Hearing British speakers for the first time was one of those "oh, that's what I was looking for" moments. But we all like different things. As mentioned above regarding imaging JohnVF , Jun 18, Messages: 1, Location: Silver Spring, Maryland. I've hit db with my friend's SPL meter. I love them to.
Don't know the brand, the speakers are literally called Enigma's. Messages: 7, Location: Littleton Colorado. In my living roon 15x19 they have incredible highs and weak bass.
In my office 9x11 they are utterly incredible. These are incredibly good with vocals, jazz, and classical. Heavy rock they do not do as well. Tubes light them up. YMMV Mark. Jcricket , Jun 18, BIG fan of British speakers here! I also gave my son a pair of KEF Coda 9.
IMO, British speakers just about do everything right, without over emphasizing the frequency extremes! Messages: Location: Champlin, MN. My Spendor BC1's are still overall the best speaker I have ever had. They do pretty much everything right and are never fatiguing.
They won't rock the house down but I guess that isn't my priority. Messages: 30, Location: Eastern Bamalama. Seriously needed a sub, incomplete sounding by themselves. Long gone, like the Hereseys don't miss them and wouldn't care to have them back as the minuses outweighed the plusses.
I recently acquired a pair of Celestion Ditton 15 needing TLC, basically the 10s in a larger box with a passive radiator. Described on the net similar to the OPs sonic impression and sounding to me anything but. Broad freq response low-mid 30s up to ca 12k with good efficiency and dynamics, terrifically detailed stunning mids, they reward the serious music lover with very musical open window clarity involvement.
They need to be on stands with the baffle covers removed to sound their best. Pio , Jun 18, Messages: 7, Location: Vancouver WA. Messages: 13, Location: Location: Location: Location. Messages: 16, Location: San Antonio. About the only sensible thing one can say is that the speakers one prefers happen to be British or American or whatever. Tom Brennan , Jun 18, Later American companies stressed imaging phase linearity etc. Certainly all blanket claims are likely to fall apart when looked at in detail, but there is a general truth to the stereotype Messages: 2, Location: Calgary, Alberta.
I have owned the DL and didn't much care for them. I would not say they are typical of british speakers. I think the smaller 2 way from that line had nicer sound. In the 60s and 70s the speakers sounded like what the designer wanted. You must log in or sign up to reply here.
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The outer wood casing has minor nicks. We convinced a retired JBL warranty tech to temporarily come out of retirement to do these yes, we have tech's here that are generally perfectly capable of 're-foaming' drivers, but these were the original Lancer 77 Cones with their original, un-adulterated dust caps, so didn't want to take any un-necessary chances. Very good power handling characteristics. Sale is for the pair. Categories : Lists of consumer electronics manufacturers Loudspeaker manufacturers.
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With full range performance, excellent cabinetry and top of the line drivers, these speakers bring 90 plus percent of the high-end audiophile experience to the table for a fraction of the price.
Real speakers do best when playing real music and over the years Dynaudio has proven that point. With a high lust factor, these slender speakers whisper sweet nothings into your ears in ways that make you not just want them —but also need them. These Italian speakers are one of many in the Sonus Faber line that bring absolutely stunning craftsmanship to the table while never forgetting audiophile performance.
So many other speakers do one or the other but rarely does a company get both elements so right. For imaging, these small speakers must be considered some of the very best speakers available. One of the newest players in the high end game, Magico speakers are built internally in ways that make an Audi S8 look flimsy. Sonically, these speakers are at the top of the heap. Overall, you ears will thank you for a session with the Magico Q5s.
They are one of the very best speakers money can buy today. Unlike many other audiophile brands Revel has kept their prices stable by outsourcing their cabinets to China; however their cutting edge drivers and insightful design make for one hell of a compelling loudspeaker experience.
Sonically, the Nautilus makes as much of an audio statement as it does a visual one. Like the Avalon earlier on the list, the Canton 3.
Excellent audio performance should be expected from a speaker coming in at number eight on the list but they do all of the little things too, including beautiful finishes, strong value and high relevancy. Oh yes we did. We put an in-wall speaker system on the list. We know a few dealers that would make the argument that there might not be a better sounding speaker on the list — period. Wilson Audio is the darling of audiophile speakers and their MAXX speakers get special attention as they woo tube lovers with their high sensitivity.
The ability to adjust and tweak these custom finished monolithic speakers makes them the ultimate goal for any audiophile note, the 25 for lust. We would have gone higher if we could. Professional mastering labs use these reference level speakers on the best recordings made today, while audiophiles dream of the day when a speaker such as this will grace their listening rooms.
These speakers are beyond good … They are truly special. Overall, you simply cannot go wrong with these speakers. While the price has nearly tripled since its launch in the late s, this Wilson Audio icon has undoubtedly become the face of high-end loudspeakers within the audiophile community. Their custom finishes are stunning. Their compact footprint makes them as relevant in luxury homes as they are in audiophile listening rooms.
They can easily and convincingly pull double duty as home theater speakers too. The first speaker to miss the cut was the Vandersteen Model Five. Well-balanced, good looking and high performance are all fair descriptors of the Aerial Acoustics 10T.
Completely over the top in design and cost — Apogee Grands had Krell Electronics for the crossover but also needed the biggest of Krell amps to make them sing. Cost was clearly no object for Grand clients but the sound was amazing for those in the late s who bought into this audiophile dream system. These speakers are truly a value leader as they can make stunning audiophile sound at a reasonable price point. The YG Acoustics Anat speakers are the flavor of the day for many print magazines; however their high price and ugly grills put them just outside of our magic top By no means are these speakers anything other than fantastic.
Polite, powerful and yes — accurate describe the speakers nicely. Their price is obnoxious but their sound is worthy of making the list. I have an itch to build a clone of a set of a classic pair of speakers. I have the plans to build Pro Ac Response 2. They are a bit intimidating, which is why I haven't done so yet. But some of them might still hold up pretty good today against contemporary speakers. Looking at their price, they better be ryewoods I also have heard alot about classic KLH speakers.
The other speaker I hears about also is Yamaha NS loudspeaker. They seem to be monster in their glory days. A lot of the products on the list indeed were ahead of their time but never caught on, while others were precursors for things ahead and very influential. It's also very interesting to see all of those various panel speakers on the list from now defunct manufacturers like Apogee and Acoustat.
The list also points to some of the varied approaches that have been taken over the years, which is always interesting. I'm not even sure they were best in their day The latter simply means they started something different.
The first Sony and Phillips cd players are on the list because CD was new technology But it began cd and since then has been totally re-done and fixed. I have never yet liked the sound of a speaker with rear firing drivers which are tonally innacurate with phase problems and such. Others support that sound and think it's the best.
Sound however is directional and should be directional. One reason I prefer two way designs that sound like all music is of one piece Originally Posted by RGA.
The argument for it is all nice and swell but since pretty much everyone abandoned rear firing tweeters Stats are dynamically poor and have no bass dynamics. ML keeps trying and failing to integrate subwoofers in to their panels and it just doesn't work I believe ML has finally given up on the integrated woofer - or will soon to copy Quad.
Stats are faster. You are correct that the Standmounts greatest liability, and it's one all standmounts I have ever heard has, is deep bass. Bass adds a structure to the rest of the audible band that when it's missing can seem light weight. Big expensive floorstanders have to be top notch because while it adds that weight it often adds annoying resonances or sounds simply terrible in smaller apartment sized rooms. Which is why Woochifer touts subwoofers. The best place for the midrange and treble is not necessarily the best place for bass.
So you pull your speaker 3 feet from a wall and the bass is fine but now you lose out, possibly, on the higher frequencies. It is also tue that a subwoofer creates a 3-way system. With a lot of work on the buyer's behalf it can be done but it's work. I always hear the handoff between sub and speaker though - presumably if that was solved then for about 4k you should be able to get a totally full range system of supreme sound quality.
Perhaps you have knowledge of the ultimate subwoofer out there. It's fine for a compnay to get credit for invention, it is also true that much of the time someone else will come along and improve upon the great idea.
I don' t know if the people who design equipment are deaf or they just test it in an anechoic chamber, sign it off and ship it out. Any sound system which cannot reproduce deep bass is not high fidelity in my book. The tone of an orchestra, the power of the low register instruments themselves including pipe organs, pianos, cellos is lost without bass.
So is the rhythm. One test I listen for whenever I hear a new speaker if I have the opportunity is for plucked double basses and cellos accompanying other instruments. If you can't feel them, you aren't getting anything like what a real orchestra sounds like and this is a very common compositional technique so it isn't something that you rarely hear. I think this is one criteria acousticians use for judging concert halls as well. Bass reinforcement is critical to any good hall.
One problem with using a separate subwoofer is that unless it is physically close to the speaker it is used with, there will be major cancellations and reinforcements in the frequency range where the their frequency response transition occurs. This translates into major peaks and dips in frequency response in that region which is very annoying to listen to.
Booming resonances on some notes and nothing audible on others. Therefore the designer who builds the subwoofer into the rest of his speaker system can optimally integrate it. If I were contemplating a subwoofer, I would buy two and use them as stands for the main speakers. I don't know much about the current market for subwoofers. Possibly the first subwoofer was the monster used in the Infinity Servo Static I. If there is a clone of it or at least something in the same vein, I'd guess it is a Velodyne servo conrolled 15" woofer.
That's where I would start. Among other inventions, AR invented the dome tweeter and ferrofluid cooling. This allowed the design of small drivers that could handle a lot of power and hence produce high volume without distortion and yet have a very wide dispersion up to a high frequency when compared with all of the available alternatives such as horns or conventional cones. Anyone doubting this should look at polar responses of speakers as a function of frequency. They all tell the same story to one degree or another which is one of nearly omnidirectional dispersion at low and mid frequencies and increasingly limited dispersion as the frequency goes up.
This last method allows the speaker to be placed close to the wall where bass reinforcement is much greater. Don't tell pctower that an indirect firing tweeter is no good. He might just wind up throwing out his prized Vandersteen Vs. Still haven't figured out how to fix the original Bose s yet. That's a tough nut to crack. I don't belive Acoustic Research ever used an indirect firing tweeter in any of its models.
You sound like you are personally modifying the AR9. You also are not truly being realistic. To condemn speakers for not having enough bass is fine when money is no object but the reality is that good bass not just a lot of it costs a tremendous amount of money - for CURRENT loudspeakers. The trade-off is so obvious when you hear any big line of speakers the little Standmount is far faster sounding with the trade-off being that no a double bass and organ is not going to have justice done Trouble is A LOT of speakers that can do those Organ and double basses are slugs in the midrange and some have annoying metal tweeters that zing up and completely ruin violins.
Directionality means a smaller sweetspot which is not the worst thing in the world Your assessment of SUbs is the same as my assessment If you're a big organ music fan then I can certainly see where you're coming from The AR9 as a stoick speaker apparently had phase problems and was considered pretty average But this does not help current buyers looking for speakers.
Surely you forget the best speaker ever made on the top 10 list Griffin Electronics type 85 Tri Amplified with electronic crossovers. Actively damped bass driver.
And all from Dusty Chalk. Eschew fascism. Truth Will Out. Originally Posted by stevef JoeE SP9. Is there a reason that a thread that ended in is being dug up? Which is one reason I have avoided them. The is the smallest best panel I have heard.
And a number of boxed speakers I have heard still do dynamics, bass drive and pressure better. The is the only one I have heard that I think I could live with long term -- but it isn't my first choice. My comment was made in jest.
I am well aware of RGA's approach to gear. I don't own boxes and never will. Currently I'm trying to decide between some new Apogee's and a Cayman. However, I've got a lead on some Acoustat 6's and may buy them and the car!
Hey Joe, you've been contemplating that Apogee for a while now. I cant believe some of the price I see on Agon too. They'll just take up my space though I think the Dude was talking about this newbie named Barney. Best wishes. Originally Posted by jrhymeammo.
Not one entry from James B. Lansing is a joke. No late 70's Pioneer HPM stuff with giant voice coil, carbon cones, ribbon tweeters, except for the NS, all the other stuff is "east coast" sound stuff.
Until, you buy them, and use them. Perhaps I'm missing something here. So as to what I'm missing why can't those same 5K and up speakers deliver kick ass bass?
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The clarity and separation are excellent and the transient response seems to be good: there's very little by way of bass overhang. And as you say, there are often serious bargains to be found. So I'm not really surprised to hear your favourable comments about the KEFs. Then there is the issue of listening levels. In contrast, professional monitors are — or should at least have electronic protection to enable to them to survive such demanding use! You are here Home Sound Advice Q.
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